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Eva Stahura's avatar

I didn’t even know who Lizzo was when you posted that, but I remember reading every comment on there and puzzling at a great number of them. This current trend of hating the founding fathers is infuriating. Yes, they were white. That’s history. That’s not going to change. If they hadn’t been the ones to do it, who knows what this continent would look like today.

I wonder when people stopped personally fact-checking the things they heard. I’m constantly looking things up. How else can one form an informed opinion on anything?

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Kelley Keller's avatar

I remember ... people were coming after you for saying Lizzo was inappropriately dressed and had bad manners. We've come a long way from those days!

As for fact-checking, that went by the wayside alongside our manners and dresscodes!

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Eva Stahura's avatar

Angie Card recently wrote about Lizzo on substack. Her view is that Lizzo is creating a really poor example of what young girls should admire, specifically with her “body positivity.” When health is shoved aside for feelings, shouldn’t we be more concerned? Personally, I agree with Angie, but I’ll go one step farther. Have some decorum. Have some sense of self. Have some decency and pride. Those ridiculous outfits (if you can call a tiny patch of cloth an outfit) are atrocious. I never heard of Lizzo before your post, but I certainly have no interest in supporting someone who is so backwards in her life with regard to weight health and image. That’s disgusting, and I don’t want to see it. I’m not saying that just because she’s morbidly obese-- I don’t want to see any performer essentially nude. Ew.

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Steven S. Neff's avatar

I didn’t know who Lizzo was either! Lol. Wishing I still didn’t know. 🤣

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Steven S. Neff's avatar

Brilliant as always. It fascinates me (not in a good way) when people make absolute truth claims while denying absolute truth is knowable and that truth is subjective and based on one’s “lived experience.” Except when it’s not. Or it is. Or something like that.

That said, up you made a great point (which your husband is also quite adept at doing) by pointing out that historical figures have context that we should strive to understand. Ironically, THE VERY THING THESE MODERN THINKERS DEMAND FOR THEMSELVES but deny in historical analysis.

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Kelley Keller's avatar

It's endlessly fascinating, and very disturbing. I am glad that I've spent enough time working through the theory so I'm not as confused as I was. It's true, though, that people are living inside two contradicting thought forms that breeds chaos and destruction. At this point, I think everyone should have to live through just one day of being true to their stated beliefs and see how that works for them. If you don't believe in logic or reason, then why are you taking a pill that you have no idea can help you?

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David Murphy's avatar

Well said

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Kelley Keller's avatar

Thank you!

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